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hello are you in that building we're

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still

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in the north tower sweetheart

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hey buddy we got an inferno on the north

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tower on 90 and above cannot take the

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elevators they are down

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that's charlie sheen and whoopi goldberg

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from one of the biggest

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bombs of the movie year 2017 that being

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the movie 911

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and of course it was a disaster because

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as you'll learn in today's interview

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with very excellent bruce de torres

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we all already know what happened with 9

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11. what's really interesting

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is how we continue to process what we

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know

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i mean feeding the beast on a personal

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level

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anna i know enough about 911

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i got it it was an inside job i know

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enough about jfk

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i got it it was an inside job why do i

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need

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to personally feed the beast don't i

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need to

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as you're talking about be with people

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really be present on stage because we're

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all on stage

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yes and we are the show and we are the

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and if we are here because we intended

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because we are the manifestation of our

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own intention to exist

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i like to think that we have 100

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power because we have 100

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responsibility for what things are to us

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and then we've got a level of

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responsibility for what we actually

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cause and create we have to

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parent ourselves we have to pretend that

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we were raised

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by perfect parents a mother

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who loved and reassured us and comforted

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us when we fell

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down scraped our knee there there

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you're not alone rock and hold and

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you're gonna be okay

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and we have to pretend we had a perfect

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father who i

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say his job is to fire us

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up to say you can do it come on we got a

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lot to do today we got a lot of wood to

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chop we have a lot of animals to catch

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we're going to make mistakes we're going

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to lose the tools we're going to break a

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bone you might lose a tooth

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and we're going to clean ourselves up

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we're going to have a big meal we get to

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go to bed exhausted

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and we get to do it all over again

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tomorrow come on

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and all that leads back to the

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reoccurring question of this show over

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the last couple

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years what's this evil thing

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all about let's say we took

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the rich and powerful and we put them on

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a bell curve

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of evilness they'd fit

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they'd fit they wouldn't all be on one

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side of that curve of

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oh you're rich and powerful therefore

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you're evil it's quite liberating to

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imagine the quote unquote rich and

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powerful the elite of the elite the one

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percent of the one percent

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who who have their hands on the levers

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of control

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fit into the bell curve that at one

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fringe there are supremely

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psychopathic and evil tyrannical tyrants

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and at the other hand are folks who

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would be saint-like

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and benef-benevolent to us right and the

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vast majority in the middle

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just muddle through and whoever is in

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charge today they're just gonna they get

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they'll be evil if evil's in charge they

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just don't care

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they're just gonna waddle through

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because if you have a belly full of

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food we've never had this in our

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evolutionary history until the last 150

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a belly full of food and decent shelter

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turn that tv on i don't want to think

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what's there to think about how can i

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improve this

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i really really enjoyed the chance to

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have this dialogue with bruce detours

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hope you enjoy it too welcome to

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skeptico where we explore controversial

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science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics i'm your host alex sacaris

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and today we welcome bruce de torres to

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and he's here to talk about an

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interesting book we're just chatting

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just a second ago about i'm

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very very very grateful that he reached

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out to me about this book because it's

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such a

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a skeptical kind of book in so many ways

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it's titled

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god school 911 and jfk

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the lies that are killing us in the

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truth that sets us free bruce welcome to

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skeptica thanks for joining me

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my pleasure thanks for having me alex

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so let's start with kind of the classic

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tell folks a little bit about yourself

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you have an

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interesting background especially in

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terms of you know a lot of people i've

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on skeptico you're more of a you know

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fine arts guy

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uh acting musicals

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directing that kind of stuff and yet

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you're kind of entering this world that

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that intersects with some of the stuff

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that i've done so

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tell us about that tell us who you are

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well sure and thanks

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i was an actor

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in into my 30s it's all i had

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and i also was a lifelong reader i

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fell in love with reading way back in

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the first grade so those were kind of

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the perfect storm

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for some things that happened in my 30s

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basically as i practiced acting

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it refined itself into the specific

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point of

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laying all my attention on my scene

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partner specifically i was coached

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let my performance come out of me in

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response to what my scene partner was

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doing right there in the present moment

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and it transformed that

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night on stage what that experience was

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alex so to kind of fast forward the

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can i interject something don't don't

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i thought that was a very interesting

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part it was

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the kind of because we've heard about

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this those of us who have not been in

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acting we've heard about this kind of

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transcendental nature

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particularly as it relates to being in

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the moment which kind of

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connects with all these other spiritual

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and you are talking about experiencing

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that in a very real way

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and i don't want to just blow past it

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like well you know and other actors

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no man it was significant to you it was

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like like my life depended on it and i

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language because i worked hard on the

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language i refined it

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slowing down everything they did

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according to what i was

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getting and working off of them and i

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said my lines as my breathing

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at those moments just happened to

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produce them and

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the audience exploded with laughter and

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in in a nutshell and i'll

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spell it out precisely

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for the first time on stage i i wasn't

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thinking at all about giving a

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i was focused on watching and seeing

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their performances i wanted to see i

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didn't want to miss a thing they did

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so i paid attention like my life was at

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stake i had never been so

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interested on stage before and

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i'll say it made i'd never been so

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on stage before alex because i got back

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we were doing that in pennsylvania that

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play and it seemed like i got cast in

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everything i

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auditioned for because it eradicated any

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it eradicated most of the fear there was

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but as i remember to

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pay attention and see exactly how my

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quote-unquote scene partner

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what they're doing how they're listening

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to to never lose them and never let them

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the merging and the sharing and the

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about reality and philosophy

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and mysticism to know that you know

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i become one with whatever i'm you know

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real life the way i did on stage and i

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i had so many habits i call them well

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you know rackets and habits of

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competition and immaturity alex that

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devastated me and i had to bring my

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whole life to a halt

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to re-evaluate oh my gosh

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and it was it was a it was a it was a

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horrible moment yet it was the best

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had ever happened to me because it made

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surrender kind of like an alcoholic who

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finally goes to hey hey

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all my tricks don't work anymore i want

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to start from scratch and it all

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began just with paying attention and

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then doing a lot of journaling a lot of

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the soul searching a lot of the real

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work that humans have to do to figure

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who am i what

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what do i want why why am i here

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and i decided to stick around because it

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was a real existential crisis i really

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hated myself i hated the way i treated

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people i hated how immature i was i

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it was so unacceptable it was so

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unacceptable

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but i decided to stick around as i

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thought just to see what would happen

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next and then i uh

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read a book that had an idea about

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it was think and grow rich of all things

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in so many ways yeah many ways right

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many many ways and um

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shall i continue with the narrative or

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um um sure or or you know we could

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leap right from there into the book and

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way

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because your book god school 911

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and jfk is in a lot of ways

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kind of this spiritual deep dive as well

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i mean

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it's a history book one of the chapters

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of the book is

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a brief history of the united states

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that could also be the title of the book

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history the united states but instead

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you sandwich it between

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very big picture

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universe unity consciousness we're all

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love

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and the end of the book that says ah you

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know i talked about all this stuff but

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in the end it's all about love it's all

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about human consciousness

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so we have these two kind of bookends

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that does

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kind of leave this big question

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and i think this is like one of the

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fundamental questions and one of the

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level three questions that i like to

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talk about you know because like

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i was just mentioning this book people

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check it out

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because it's like it's great it has a

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certain

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almost lyrical quality to it the way you

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bounce from

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one topic to another in just one

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sentence after another is just

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a bombshell if you haven't heard this

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stuff you know alexander hamilton has a

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the same pyramid that you see on the

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dollar bill on his

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grave you know you're like whoa i didn't

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know what does that mean

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is that really true all the free so but

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then you just

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move on to the next thing without really

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belaboring it but i have to say as i

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said

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you know when we're chatting for just a

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second

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this book is also an invitation to this

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deeper conversation what i call these

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level three conversations which you're

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just alluding to which is

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what then does this all mean

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so i want to keep bouncing back and

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forth

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between the stuff jfk 911

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you know jfk 60 years ago 9 11

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20 freaking years ago this is history

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there's so many people you know my kids

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they know that they relate to this in

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the same way that you and i relate to

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the history that we are from parents and

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grandparents we're like

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yada yada you know just kind of

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so do you do you know what i mean i mean

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this is really i think our challenge

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in this interview and in a larger sense

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in this ongoing dialogue is like

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how do we relate to this history because

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i think that's what your book

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in a way essentially is about is like

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here's the history as messed up

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as it is and then how do we relate to it

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what what do you think about that is

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that a good way to to can we frame it up

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this way or is that gonna

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oh i think you nailed it and in fact i

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worked on it for years and years alex

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and there were many many times where i

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thought oh this is good

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stuff oh there's going to be a handful

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of people

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who get it exactly the way i think

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i'm saying it and alex you're reflecting

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back to me

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some of the greatest fondest hopes i had

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for

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what this book could be to some people

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so oh you know the angels are singing

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right now for me because

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you write such a thing all alone for

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years and years and years and you you

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wrestle with

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paragraphs and sentences should it be

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this should it be that

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have i said too much am i saying too

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little so for you to have said all that

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alex okay so

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yeah i i'm right on board and uh

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how you framed what what the book is and

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what i'm what i'm trying to say

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and i tried to i tried to stay on point

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which is

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the truth sets us free it's good to know

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the truth of

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all the stuff that's in the book pulling

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back right to your question

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originally all i was gonna write was a

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book about

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my thoughts about what energy and what

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energy and consciousness is

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because i was excited about that that's

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all i you know that's what i set out to

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write

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i should recount that i think just to

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for those who are listening

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what the idea that i got about energy

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that i thought was unique

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was if energy

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burst into existence 14 billion years

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ago to become this

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universe and everything in it that's a

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theory

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i thought oh and the black napoleon hill

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said thoughts become things because

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they're made out of energy

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okay i thought buddha said that

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well i'm just kidding because it's you

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know sure go ahead right yeah absolutely

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right right well i'm just following the

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narrative of

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the inspiration for for what i was

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writing but yes it's everywhere and

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that's

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thrilling because it's corroborative you

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know

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but i thought okay um

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why did if energy did that burst into

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existence because to become you me and

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everything

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why and i had the simple thought because

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it wanted to

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is energy the intention to exist

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so now pretend i'm jumping up and down

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and yelling at the top of my lungs

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the way that that blew my mind because

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it explained to me

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how all the soul searching i had just

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done why do i think what i do why do i

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have these habits

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i recognize any way i want to look at

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anything any questions i want to ask

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myself

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those answers will come rushing almost

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attracted

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law of attraction whatever any whatever

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i want to look for however

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i want to see things that's how i can

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see it

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and dare we hope that as we

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cherish a thought and give it lots of

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love and energy and attention and

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gratitude and live as if it's already

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real

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do we start seeing those things in our

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real lives

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i'll say yes that's my testimony that's

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my personal experience

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so this is i got excited about these

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ideas that this is a completely

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spiritual realm

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to see our creator everywhere if the

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intention to exist is our creator

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because it came into existence

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to be you and me to see

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our creator everywhere makes this heaven

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i go and i explore all this in a number

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of pages in the book

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whether we are the one eternal thing

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that existed

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and when you're eternal

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the only thing you don't have is perhaps

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someone to talk to so

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it the one and only is appearing to

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itself

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ourself as alex talking to bruce has

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bruce

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talking to you and

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well that that's how i felt on stage

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when i bonded and connected to the

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people i paid attention to as if they're

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worth

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paying attention to that's what i

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discovered on stage bruce why don't you

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pay attention to people as if

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they're worth paying attention to and

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then i felt loved

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and then i've dealt that with the folks

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in my real life

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and had to had to just retool my whole

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life to orient myself towards feeling

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safe feeling everything is okay

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i'm unharmable things are lovable

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because i say they are things

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things become lovable when i decide to

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love them and i go on and on and explore

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that in a lot of ways in the book

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oh and alex back to your very astute

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observation about those sentences in my

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book

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i wanted i used to love going into

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bookstores

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discovering a book i'd never imagined

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before and

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not being able to put it down because it

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was so compelling that's

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the quality i wanted in my writing is

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that if

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you are lucky enough to pick up my book

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in a bookstore or anywhere

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i wanted to grab your eyeballs

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and pull you scented like just they are

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irresistible rungs of a ladder that you

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just have to keep going through going

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through going through

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and also reading so much about all of my

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topics i didn't want to say anything i

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didn't have to that's already well

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covered in those other books all my

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sources and those are in the back of my

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book there's 46 pages of sources in the

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back of my book

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so like you observe you know i say

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something in a sentence i don't really

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elaborate

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i go to the next development i want to

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kind of

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talk about and i did intend it to be a

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great handbook

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to someone who's skeptical about

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so-called conspiracy theories or what's

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real

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and what's fake or what's the true

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history of some things i wanted my book

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to be

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a very valuable tool for that purpose

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for a newbie so to speak

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okay so great and it accomplishes that

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goal in a lot of ways

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but man this is where we're gonna have

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the level three kind of

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conversation because as soon as you

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venture into the historian role

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you know brief history of the united

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states kind of thing

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it's tough and i'd go from the from the

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super big way that it's tough

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and that is are we feeding the beast

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you know because part of this is this

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desire we have to know and to know

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and to know and there's a spiritual side

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of that that we've talked already so

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much about because

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look let me digress which is maybe i do

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too much but

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this is not a spiritual book per se the

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majority of the book

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by quantity is something that people who

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are comfortable with

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exploring parapolitical conspiratorial

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ideas

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would be super comfortable with it's

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just a ton of information

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like you said i love the sources because

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you really do kind of this

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extended bibliography that almost reads

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like an extended

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table of contents somebody can jump to

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the sources

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and just read it you know and and you

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can learn a lot

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and then you can also say i want to jump

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to this point that point

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that is the body of the book but given

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that that's the body the book

570
00:20:42,789 --> 00:20:41,520
here's the feed the beast issue it's

571
00:20:46,630 --> 00:20:42,799
like

572
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:46,640
if none of that if the ultimate end

573
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:49,760
message is unity consciousness

574
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:53,360
is spirituality is connection

575
00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:55,440
why do we want to focus so much on that

576
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:57,520
are we are we feeding the beast are we

577
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:59,600
staring into the abyss and why would we

578
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:01,039
want to do that and i realize we're

579
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:02,640
jumping way ahead

580
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:04,240
but let's do that because we don't want

581
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:07,200
to just talk about 9 11 in school and

582
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:10,799
jfk you you've just framed

583
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:14,080
the single purpose or intention that i

584
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:14,880
imagined

585
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:18,159
for the book which is i was writing this

586
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:19,280
book about

587
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:22,000
energy and consciousness and spiritual

588
00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:22,480
nature

589
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:27,600
reality etc union and then

590
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:30,480
discovered 911 was an inside job

591
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:32,000
obsessed about that and

592
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:35,600
the energy book was in a drawer i had

593
00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:36,960
i had written what i wanted to write

594
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:41,600
about it was about 39 or 41 pages alex

595
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:45,600
okay and then i got obsessed about

596
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:47,840
quote-unquote truth of the world's

597
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:48,880
events

598
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:52,720
for 10 years i studied all that stuff

599
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:55,360
never thinking that i was going to put

600
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:57,280
it in a book or put it in my book and in

601
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:58,320
2014

602
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:01,120
i got the idea that those are problems

603
00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:03,200
solved by the truth

604
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:06,880
the truth of their nature

605
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:08,880
as opposed to the official stories that

606
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:11,200
are lies that are used to manipulate and

607
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:12,960
exploit us and do a lot of damage and

608
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:14,240
cause a lot of harm

609
00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:17,760
and also the truth of our nature because

610
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:21,919
the beast is slain when we recognize

611
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:24,400
it's just like the movie the matrix

612
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:26,159
there is no beast

613
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:31,200
or if there's a beast we am it

614
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:34,799
no it's our perception etc etc

615
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:36,640
we can get very prac we can explore

616
00:22:39,909 --> 00:22:38,159
practice how do you live this is the

617
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:39,919
conundrum of good and evil you know if

618
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:40,559
there's a good

619
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:42,400
god in the universe why does he like

620
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:44,880
good things bad things happen to good

621
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:45,440
people

622
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:48,640
this is level three and as adults and as

623
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:49,120
a man

624
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:52,320
my age recognizing

625
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:54,640
i'm a general right now in like in a

626
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:55,760
tribal

627
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:00,080
arc of youth to warrior to

628
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:03,760
general or or you know manager

629
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:06,320
we're not chiefs yet you and i you know

630
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:08,080
they they say very little

631
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:10,000
and we go to them when we really can't

632
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:11,280
solve anything but they're

633
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:13,520
watching us they've got no teeth they're

634
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:15,039
very weak

635
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:16,720
they're watching how you and i manage

636
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:18,320
affairs because we're at the managerial

637
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:20,400
level for life for the tribe to take

638
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:22,240
care of the first thing is our own

639
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:24,799
soul our own peace you know i'm very

640
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:25,679
inspired

641
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,280
there's nothing there's not a lot about

642
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,520
in the book maybe next to nothing

643
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:31,440
very inspired by the native american

644
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:33,520
traditions their relationship to spirit

645
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:36,080
what they felt reality was

646
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:37,919
and to summon that and to live in that

647
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:39,360
space

648
00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:45,360
rituals that

649
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:47,600
you know free us from the ego to dance

650
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:49,440
in a frenzy at night around a fire in

651
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:50,480
order

652
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:54,640
to to to to kick up our heels and forget

653
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:55,760
our troubles

654
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:58,320
because we've got to tell ourselves we

655
00:24:02,830 --> 00:23:59,760
can handle the truth because

656
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:02,840
at the objective material day-to-day

657
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:05,600
level

658
00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:07,600
there's there's really really

659
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:09,279
frightening and horrible and mean and

660
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,320
painful

661
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:12,720
suffering that's happening out there and

662
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:14,559
the level three question is

663
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:16,640
what do these what good are these very

664
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:18,960
fairy ideas day to day bruce when i'm

665
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:20,720
trying to make a living and my wife and

666
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:21,600
i are arguing

667
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:23,200
we don't have enough money for this any

668
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:24,640
other thing and

669
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:27,039
is this real or not should i get this

670
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:28,880
injection should i not

671
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:31,919
yeah and it's i'm convinced and this is

672
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:32,960
not easy because i'm

673
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,360
we're all just humans and we all have

674
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:37,679
runaway minds and fears

675
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:41,200
until we decide to work with them

676
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:43,360
we have runaway minds and fears until we

677
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:44,320
decide to work

678
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:47,520
on that why what am i afraid of and why

679
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:50,240
or we dive into alcohol drugs and

680
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:51,679
mindless distractions

681
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:54,080
and those addictions one way or the

682
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,799
other

683
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,400
we're going to either anesthetize

684
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:58,400
ourselves or we're going to take some

685
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:59,760
deep breaths and we're going to try to

686
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:00,640
cultivate

687
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:02,799
and feel what's real and what i say in

688
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:08,230
maybe try the answer somewhere is listen

689
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:09,840
we gotta we gotta get alone

690
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:13,200
we've gotta cultivate peaceful mind

691
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:16,480
an open heart and and feel what's real

692
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:17,039
if we can

693
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:19,520
quiet the mind i don't think anyone says

694
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:20,320
we can never

695
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:23,039
stop thoughts completely but if we can

696
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:24,559
quiet them enough

697
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:27,279
we can feel what's real and paying

698
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:28,000
attention is

699
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:31,440
the is the tactic to to experience

700
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:35,440
see feel what's real and i'm claiming

701
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:37,760
it's love and when we look in the eyes

702
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:39,440
of someone else who wants to look in our

703
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:40,480
eyes

704
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:42,159
what we see is the exact same

705
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:44,240
consciousness we see and feel ourself

706
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:45,039
because

707
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:48,080
i claim at that level where only love is

708
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:49,520
real and everything is love or

709
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:50,640
everything is energy

710
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,400
love and energy energy are just words

711
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:54,320
for what is

712
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:56,799
it's it's a unity it's us so when we

713
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:58,400
look in each other's eyes we and

714
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:00,000
with someone that we love and we care

715
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:02,960
about we see love we see ourselves it's

716
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:03,760
a reflection

717
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:08,640
it's uh

718
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:11,120
those those are reasons to be cheerful

719
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:12,640
now how does one anyone

720
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:15,279
apply that that's very individual what's

721
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:15,679
yours

722
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:17,200
you know what does that all mean to you

723
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:19,120
alex that's kind of what it means to me

724
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:21,039
what does all that mean to you you know

725
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:22,559
well i guess one of the things i was

726
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:23,840
driving towards

727
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:26,880
because i honestly struggle with this

728
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:28,960
both personally and i see the struggle

729
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:30,080
within

730
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:31,679
this community that i've kind of

731
00:26:34,190 --> 00:26:33,520
stumbled into because i didn't start

732
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,200
with the

733
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,720
conspiratorial community i didn't really

734
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:38,720
start with a conspiratorial bent

735
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:41,039
i didn't know any of that stuff when i

736
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:42,320
started skeptico

737
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:44,000
and i really started from kind of a

738
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:46,880
scientific angle just because

739
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:48,640
the biological robot meaningless

740
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:51,120
universe thing seemed like [\h__\h]

741
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:53,360
and i want to prove it and that's what

742
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:55,440
led me to the conspiracy

743
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:58,799
but you know jfk was

744
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:00,799
really interesting it wasn't really my

745
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:02,799
time but looking into it at just a

746
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:03,840
fantastic

747
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,559
story what the [\h__\h] else do i need to

748
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:08,400
know about jfk

749
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:11,760
i find it infinitely interesting i love

750
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:12,320
it i

751
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,120
i'm always digging into new information

752
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:17,520
but to me it's like reading comic books

753
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:19,520
i don't pretend that that is going to

754
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:20,720
inform

755
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:24,799
my spiritual uh understanding

756
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:28,080
and i i do worry about killing up

757
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:29,200
another podcast

758
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,679
on jfk because i look at myself and i

759
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:33,600
say am i feeding the beast

760
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:36,960
am i feeding somehow my desire to

761
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:40,320
know to know something to know something

762
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:42,080
that somebody else doesn't know

763
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:44,399
because i'm there i am there with that

764
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:46,080
energy i'm not denying it

765
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:48,640
it's it's it's fed me for a long time

766
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:49,520
but i see the

767
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:51,120
the if we're gonna have this level three

768
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:53,360
discussion i also see the other part of

769
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:54,320
that it says

770
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:57,360
why do i want to feel superior to

771
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:58,559
someone else

772
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:01,279
because i know something and at the same

773
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,880
time i can't

774
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:05,039
resist that urge because when i see

775
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:07,279
people are so [\h__\h] stupid because

776
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:08,000
they don't

777
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:10,640
know something i'm like why are you

778
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:12,159
allowing that willful

779
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:14,399
ignorance to dominate your life and to

780
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:16,080
make your decisions and

781
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:18,000
you're wearing the mask and you're all

782
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:19,200
alone in the car

783
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:20,799
and you're like how are you even

784
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:22,320
functioning but you know what they are

785
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:24,000
functioning

786
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:27,120
i just had so let me let me

787
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:29,279
pause there because now you know what i

788
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:30,480
mean about feeding the beast

789
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:33,279
i mean feeding the beast on a personal

790
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:33,840
level

791
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:36,960
anna i know enough about 911.

792
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:40,080
i got it it was an inside job i know

793
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:41,520
enough about jfk

794
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:45,120
i got it it was an inside job why do i

795
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:45,840
need

796
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:49,279
to personally feed the beast don't i

797
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:50,159
need to

798
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:53,039
as you're talking about be with people

799
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:53,600
just

800
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:56,159
really be present on stage because we're

801
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:58,720
all on stage yes

802
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:01,279
and we are the show and we are the

803
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:02,960
audience

804
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:06,720
and we if we are here because we

805
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:07,840
intended to be

806
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:10,080
because we are the manifestation of our

807
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:12,159
own intention to exist

808
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:16,480
i like to think that we have 100

809
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:19,760
power because we have 100

810
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:24,240
responsibility for what things are to us

811
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,520
and then we've got a level of

812
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:27,600
responsibility for what we actually

813
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:31,279
cause and create so two great handles

814
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:32,799
that i hold on to that really really

815
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:34,240
work for me this is the best thing about

816
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:35,200
ideas it's like

817
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:37,039
they fire me up they don't have to be

818
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,279
true they fire me up and i choose to

819
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:41,360
pursue being fired up

820
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:44,399
is we have to

821
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:47,279
parent ourselves we have to pretend that

822
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:49,279
we were raised

823
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,399
by perfect parents a mother

824
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:54,960
who loved and reassured us and comforted

825
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:57,520
us when we fell down scraped our knee

826
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:00,799
there there and you're not alone rock

827
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:04,080
and hold and you're gonna be okay

828
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:06,880
we have to love ourselves like that and

829
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:08,720
we have to pretend we had a perfect

830
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:09,840
father

831
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:13,279
who i say his job is to

832
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:16,320
fire us up to say you can do it come on

833
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,320
we got a lot to do today we got a lot of

834
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:20,480
wood to chop we have a lot of animals to

835
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:21,039
catch

836
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,559
we're gonna make mistakes we're gonna

837
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:24,559
lose the tools we're gonna break a bone

838
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,159
you might lose a tooth

839
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:28,080
and we're gonna clean ourselves up we're

840
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:30,080
gonna have a big meal we get to go to

841
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:30,960
bed exhausted

842
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:32,320
and we get to do it all over again

843
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:35,279
tomorrow come on to encourage so mothers

844
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:36,399
love

845
00:30:39,870 --> 00:30:38,480
they're there we're safe alex we're safe

846
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:39,880
we're safe

847
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:43,919
especially if death is just a transition

848
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:45,039
to

849
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:47,600
experiencing ah our real self our

850
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:49,279
transcendent self

851
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:51,039
we never really could be harmed

852
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:52,559
everything's we're always okay for

853
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:53,919
eternity

854
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:56,399
you know and then to fire ourselves up

855
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:57,120
so

856
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:58,559
when i'm alone and freaked out and

857
00:31:01,830 --> 00:31:00,880
wondering you know why do this why do

858
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:01,840
that

859
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:03,760
am i going to have enough for retirement

860
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:04,880
all the

861
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:11,590
beastly scary thoughts i can i can get

862
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:13,440
for myself

863
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:16,799
i've practiced practice practice

864
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,960
writing and rehearsing and remembering

865
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:20,559
and writing and rehearsing and

866
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:21,279
remembering

867
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:24,640
these ways of looking at it to just

868
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:28,960
to summon like a native american

869
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:31,120
thank you all the fathers and all the

870
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:32,080
mothers and all the

871
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:35,440
who are here right now

872
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:38,320
show me what i need to see give me what

873
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:39,840
i need to know

874
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:42,559
let me serve let me help let me serve

875
00:31:45,669 --> 00:31:44,000
because it's everything's got to flow we

876
00:31:49,029 --> 00:31:45,679
can't hold on to anything

877
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:49,039
not a fear not even an obsession we have

878
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:50,640
it's all got to flow it comes through us

879
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:53,679
so we can give it and as much as we can

880
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:56,799
shape it toward being good parenting

881
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:00,240
as i think of you as a human

882
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:03,919
who needs the great love of a mother

883
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:07,360
and the great encouragement of a father

884
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:10,640
and choose to talk to you like that

885
00:32:15,630 --> 00:32:13,840
i'm feeling it and it becomes you know

886
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:15,640
that self-fulfilling thing that that

887
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:17,679
self-experiencing thing

888
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:20,320
and it's it's my fantasy that this is

889
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:21,360
what

890
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:26,000
because i need it so bad that it works

891
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:28,080
so well for me let's and

892
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,519
as i've been unfolding the book in the

893
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:31,200
last couple of months

894
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:33,279
uh it's it's kind of you know things are

895
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:34,640
kind of happening without

896
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:36,159
a lot of effort i follow through i'm a

897
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:37,840
professional i know what i want

898
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:40,640
but it's it just i seem to be kind of in

899
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:42,960
a zone that i belong in

900
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:45,279
and you know that's me trying to talk

901
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:47,200
all around these issues right now

902
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:50,080
you know so no that is that is uh

903
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:50,960
beautiful

904
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:56,159
let me pull you back though

905
00:33:02,549 --> 00:32:59,919
the truth do we risk becoming obsessed

906
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:02,559
with the truth just like we can become

907
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:03,679
obsessed with

908
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:05,519
anything i keep hammering on the same

909
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:06,799
question i'm going to hammer it from a

910
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,159
different way

911
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:10,880
is that when we really look at the

912
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,640
motivations

913
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:14,399
at least what we suspect to be the

914
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:15,760
motivations

915
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,600
behind these evil doers which i love

916
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:21,360
that phrase right evil doers

917
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:24,240
for history lesson who said evil doers

918
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:25,840
oh w didn't he

919
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:33,509
evil doers because he was the ultimate

920
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:34,960
evil doer wasn't he

921
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:37,440
i mean if you really look into him his

922
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:39,039
dad was an evil doer but he really

923
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:40,720
stepped up the game in terms of evil

924
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:41,200
doers

925
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,559
and those are really a lot of times the

926
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:44,320
people that talk about evil doers

927
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:46,080
so but if we look at the motivations

928
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,600
behind these people

929
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,200
part of it you know you look at that

930
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:51,120
evil doer and part of it is like the

931
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:52,559
whole you know

932
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:55,360
skull and bones thing and it's like i

933
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:57,120
can't tell you because it's a sacred

934
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:57,919
ain't it

935
00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:01,440
and it's like not just you can't handle

936
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:02,240
the truth

937
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:04,399
which is one thing we get but the other

938
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:05,279
vibe we get is

939
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:08,079
you don't deserve the truth i've left

940
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,839
you the [\h__\h] clues

941
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:11,760
because they left clues all over the

942
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:12,879
place right

943
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:16,720
9 11 is a ritualistic kind of

944
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:19,919
event of symbology the clues are all

945
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:20,720
over the place

946
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:26,879
they're begging you they're begging you

947
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:28,399
bruce not the normies

948
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:32,000
they're begging you bruce to crack the

949
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:32,800
code

950
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:35,200
and i kind of think part of that is they

951
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:36,399
want to suck you

952
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:39,599
into that now i know something

953
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:42,639
now i'm better than someone else now i'm

954
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:42,960
an

955
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:45,440
insider kind of thing because that's

956
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:46,960
their ultimate game

957
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:50,079
is this lack of connection this i am

958
00:35:02,390 --> 00:34:58,790
yes and that

959
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:02,400
is what gets triggered in you obviously

960
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:04,560
and that's a very it's a very valid and

961
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:06,960
understandable and reasonable

962
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:09,760
thing and what it triggers in someone

963
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:10,720
else complete

964
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:13,359
maybe fear and overwhelm horror terror

965
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:14,640
maybe

966
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:16,240
all that information could just drive

967
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:18,640
someone straight into alcoholism despair

968
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:20,079
and even suicide

969
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:22,560
on a fast track almost relatively you

970
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:24,160
know in the course of a couple of years

971
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:26,000
i could easily see someone just

972
00:35:29,829 --> 00:35:28,160
because the more you look at it the more

973
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:29,839
confirmation you get

974
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:32,079
yeah that's how you know and my book

975
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:33,680
would do a fair job of

976
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:36,480
convincing i make the case that we live

977
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:38,320
in opposite land everything we're given

978
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,400
us is nonsense and baloney

979
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:42,560
and it's by folks who want to do nothing

980
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:43,839
but enslave

981
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:47,119
exploit sicken uh and

982
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:50,800
uh remove a lot of us okay how do we be

983
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:54,000
cheerful in the in the face of that

984
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:55,839
there's no there's no one easy answer of

985
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:57,200
it except to

986
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:59,280
to challenge each other what are you

987
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:00,480
going to make out of it

988
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:05,040
what are you going to make out of

989
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:08,240
whatever new thing you hear today

990
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:10,640
whatever new thing you hear about jfk or

991
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:12,160
if someone if you're that

992
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,400
someone you know who just discovers

993
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,320
someone who gets my book and who

994
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:18,000
until my book they believe the official

995
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:20,400
story about all these things and they go

996
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:23,119
this is persuasive holy stink right and

997
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:24,480
then they look at some of the sources

998
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:25,599
because you shouldn't no one should ever

999
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:27,040
believe just one book you read about

1000
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:28,160
something

1001
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:31,920
um and then

1002
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:33,599
it's literally like finding out there's

1003
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:35,920
no santa claus it's really really

1004
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:38,720
really really upsetting it's a huge it's

1005
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:39,359
a huge

1006
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:41,680
trauma and they and they did leave all

1007
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:42,560
those clues

1008
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:44,240
now i'm just bouncing all over the place

1009
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:45,760
they did oh no you're right

1010
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:49,119
you were right on the beam bruce you are

1011
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:50,320
right on the beam

1012
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:53,920
and i want you to i love the point that

1013
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,599
you made and maybe it is kind of a

1014
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:57,359
repeat of something you said

1015
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:00,800
earlier but what you do with this

1016
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:03,359
we can see it around us and we can see

1017
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:05,599
people who take this information

1018
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:07,520
and you can kind of say for no fault of

1019
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:09,200
their own they're either

1020
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:11,839
set up for this through traumas that

1021
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:14,320
they've experienced in the past or

1022
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:18,160
whatever but it is so overpowering for

1023
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:18,640
them

1024
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:21,359
that it really leads to kind of this

1025
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:22,240
destruction

1026
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,640
of their life and we've seen that and i

1027
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:26,400
i love what you're doing because you're

1028
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:28,000
kind of saying

1029
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:30,160
we have to walk despite that we have to

1030
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:31,680
walk into the fire

1031
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,240
we can't because there's no looking

1032
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:36,480
forward there's no turning back

1033
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:40,240
we cannot turn back no and

1034
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:42,880
read you know joseph campbell's work

1035
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,280
maybe because i wanted to be an actor

1036
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:47,520
and i put myself in these the things i

1037
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,880
watched i was a matt you know he's like

1038
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:50,400
i'm pretending i'm this and pretending

1039
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:52,400
i'm not it's easy for me to

1040
00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:54,079
relatively easy because i still have my

1041
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:55,760
dark knights of the soul like anybody

1042
00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:56,320
else

1043
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:57,760
but i would encourage someone who's

1044
00:38:01,990 --> 00:37:59,520
wrestling with the despair you know

1045
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:02,000
choking on how negative and horrible and

1046
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:05,599
murderous and evil how effing evil

1047
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:07,839
life on planet earth can seem accord you

1048
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:08,800
know when you look at

1049
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:10,480
the social structures and the economic

1050
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:12,400
structures and politically and

1051
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:14,320
militarily what's happening it's there's

1052
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:15,839
a lot of evil to to

1053
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:17,599
to deal with and we have to look at it

1054
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:19,280
just like you just said

1055
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:20,880
and this is what our imaginations are

1056
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:22,720
for and specifically to develop that

1057
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,480
spiritual imagination

1058
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:26,640
i would tell someone wants a specific

1059
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:28,480
answer to this specific problem i would

1060
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:29,359
say

1061
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,280
do whatever it takes to experiment

1062
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:35,760
with having a spiritual imagination

1063
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:36,800
because

1064
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,720
if you can imagine that you're an

1065
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:40,640
eternal thing you were always okay

1066
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:42,240
you're okay now you're always gonna be

1067
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:43,680
okay and this is some kind of an

1068
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:46,720
adventure or game that you intentionally

1069
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:49,520
set up to do to yourself what's there to

1070
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:50,800
be afraid of

1071
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:55,119
and if you imagine it's literally

1072
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:58,320
a fear test it's a courage test

1073
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,520
you know we're floating around as

1074
00:39:02,069 --> 00:39:01,680
eternal spirits you don't have to have a

1075
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:02,079
life

1076
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:05,359
on earth because you believe it's real

1077
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:08,480
and it's terrifying why would you do

1078
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:11,680
that to yourself i don't know alex but

1079
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:14,079
let's say we did it anyway

1080
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:16,960
we can go deeper we could say because

1081
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:17,920
some souls are

1082
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:20,480
trapped to do that over and over again

1083
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,160
until they realize

1084
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:24,480
it's a game it's an illusion you're

1085
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:26,480
doing this to yourself

1086
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:28,640
and that's why the gandhis come back and

1087
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:30,400
the jesus's come back and the john

1088
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:31,920
lennon's come back

1089
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:33,920
you know who to to give the and the

1090
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:35,440
poets and the roomie

1091
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:38,800
and the khalil gibran and all those who

1092
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:40,240
write and say even bill hicks the

1093
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:42,960
comedian it's all a ride it's just a

1094
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:43,839
ride

1095
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:45,440
it's thrills and shocks it looks very

1096
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:48,320
very real it's just a ride

1097
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:51,040
because if if that makes your life

1098
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:51,520
announce

1099
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:54,079
easier dwell on that and here's a

1100
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:54,960
particular

1101
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:57,520
resource it's a youtube channel you read

1102
00:40:02,230 --> 00:39:58,800
about it in my book by

1103
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:02,240
anthony sheen c-h-e-n-e

1104
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:05,359
production he has interviewed lots of

1105
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,319
folks who had

1106
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:09,119
near-death experiences ndes and they

1107
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:10,240
talk about

1108
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:13,920
they died what they experienced

1109
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:17,359
they realized the truth of

1110
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:19,119
their spiritual nature and the nature of

1111
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:20,480
existence is all is

1112
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:23,280
all love it's just love and we're all

1113
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:24,800
connected

1114
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:26,960
and then they came back the doctor said

1115
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,400
you were dead for three minutes you were

1116
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:30,160
dead for seven minutes this that and the

1117
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:31,119
other thing

1118
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:33,200
dead and then often they heal and this

1119
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:34,240
happened the other thing

1120
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:35,920
so if you're a stone cold atheist

1121
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:37,680
completely materialistic who thinks

1122
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:39,119
you're only worth the money you have in

1123
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:41,200
the bank right now and you're terrified

1124
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:43,599
and you ought to be and you start

1125
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:44,800
watching these

1126
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,599
you know videos and you can create just

1127
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:49,599
a little space in your head to look at

1128
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,119
life like

1129
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:53,520
maybe i planned all this before i was

1130
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:54,880
born

1131
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:57,440
and you start looking for reasons why

1132
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,240
that's true

1133
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,480
you'll find them because the real

1134
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:02,000
mystics no

1135
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:04,720
whatever we look for we find because

1136
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:06,079
it's us and we create

1137
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:08,560
it we attract it and that's how

1138
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:10,000
infinitely powerful we are and here's

1139
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:11,599
the last example before i'll throw the

1140
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:13,520
conversation back to you alex to

1141
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:16,079
continue this or go any other place this

1142
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:17,680
all reminds me of

1143
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:20,240
the survivor of the nazi concentration

1144
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:22,400
camps who was asked how did you survive

1145
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:25,680
once you know the vast majority of you

1146
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:28,400
you didn't and the guys said they could

1147
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:29,119
beat me

1148
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:31,440
they could starve me they could make me

1149
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:32,640
work in the snow

1150
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:34,880
sleep in the snow sleep on concrete but

1151
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:36,000
the guards

1152
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:38,800
couldn't make me stop loving them so he

1153
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:40,000
performed a miracle

1154
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,920
you would think nazi guards and a

1155
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:43,920
concentration camp are unlovable

1156
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:47,200
but by loving them this guy

1157
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:49,760
made them lovable and by making them

1158
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:50,960
lovable

1159
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:56,480
and durable because if you love where

1160
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,839
you are

1161
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,680
you can get through it how do you love

1162
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:01,440
your torturers bruce

1163
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:02,960
well that's a that's a level four

1164
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:05,040
question

1165
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:08,400
it is it is indeed let me toss another

1166
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,680
log on the fire

1167
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:11,760
complicity you know this is something

1168
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,160
that really used to rile me up

1169
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:16,640
especially in talking to christian

1170
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:19,760
people especially talking to catholics

1171
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:22,800
and say okay we knew it but now it's

1172
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:24,960
been laid bare

1173
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:29,520
satanic dark completely compromised

1174
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:32,800
organization not a few bad apples

1175
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:35,839
fundamentally at its core evil

1176
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:39,680
how can you go to church on sunday

1177
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:42,720
and put money in that basket how can you

1178
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:43,119
be

1179
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:47,359
complicit a little bit wiser me says

1180
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:50,079
i'm complicit i'm complicit in

1181
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:50,960
everything

1182
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:54,720
i'm complicit in jfk i'm complicit in 9

1183
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:55,520
11.

1184
00:43:01,829 --> 00:42:59,119
i live in a beautiful house

1185
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,839
in southern california overlooking the

1186
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:03,200
ocean

1187
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:06,640
about people 30 miles from me in tijuana

1188
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:09,839
i've been there they live with cardboard

1189
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:10,240
and

1190
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:12,640
corrugated stuff that they've scraped

1191
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:14,720
out of the junkyard and it

1192
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:16,160
battled me up on the wall and they're

1193
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:18,079
probably people in san diego county live

1194
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:19,359
that way as well but

1195
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:22,640
i am complicit we are all complicit

1196
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:24,319
and that doesn't take away from the

1197
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:26,000
spirituality that you're talking

1198
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:28,640
about but it does put a different spin

1199
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:29,119
on

1200
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:33,280
our again our how we relate to these

1201
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:35,760
horrific evils that are being

1202
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:37,760
perpetrated all around us doesn't it how

1203
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:38,160
do you

1204
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:43,680
well it brought to mind what may have

1205
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:45,520
motivated the kennedys

1206
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:49,680
and this is documented those

1207
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:53,520
nine children of rose and joseph kennedy

1208
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:56,160
we're taught you don't have to worry

1209
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:02,069
you don't because their parents were so

1210
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:06,079
rich to whom much is given

1211
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:09,119
much is required and much is demanded

1212
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:11,359
they seem to have internalized the sense

1213
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:12,240
that

1214
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:19,599
to kind of pay it forward or

1215
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:23,119
pay it back you know so

1216
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:26,000
you you're you you that's but here's the

1217
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:26,560
thing

1218
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:28,160
i love this because now we're going to

1219
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:30,000
take another veer off in another

1220
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:31,680
direction and dive into facts

1221
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:34,800
so jfk and i just played this clip and

1222
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:37,119
previous show he knows who he [\h__\h]

1223
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:38,640
owes when he's there right

1224
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:40,880
because he was elected in a rigged

1225
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:41,839
election

1226
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:44,800
his father joe kennedy who was connected

1227
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:46,480
to the mob because he used to run

1228
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:50,000
alcohol from canada down he hires the

1229
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:53,040
mob to throw the election in illinois

1230
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,880
which is a swing state that gets it

1231
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:57,359
and along with daley and the mobsters

1232
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:58,800
they have a bunch of people voting who

1233
00:45:03,270 --> 00:44:59,839
are dead and

1234
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:03,280
a repeat of a recent election and

1235
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,880
they win and they also do that in west

1236
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:06,640
virginia and they win right

1237
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:10,079
so and then he goes on to you know he's

1238
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:11,760
got the doctor feel good thing right and

1239
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:12,240
he's

1240
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:14,720
getting injections in his throat of

1241
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:16,880
amphetamines and all sorts of crazy

1242
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:18,000
drugs and he gets one

1243
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:20,000
right before he goes on stage with nixon

1244
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:21,599
and it probably is the

1245
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:24,400
debate that wins him the thing so no

1246
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:26,000
one's clean in this thing

1247
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:29,280
and rfk his brother robert youngest

1248
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:31,119
attorney general in history

1249
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:33,440
he's screwing maryland at the same time

1250
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:34,400
his brother is

1251
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:36,160
and a lot of people think he was

1252
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:38,160
probably in the room when marilyn died

1253
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,000
and it was probably his people

1254
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:42,240
that decided after they grabbed that

1255
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:44,800
diary of secrets that she had that

1256
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:46,720
rfk might have been the one who went and

1257
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:49,119
said okay yeah i guess it's best to

1258
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,520
pull up bill clinton kind of eliminate

1259
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:53,040
uh bill and hillary

1260
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,880
kind of eliminate all the possible

1261
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:56,400
skeletons in the closet

1262
00:46:03,270 --> 00:45:59,760
he's not clean in this he's not perfect

1263
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:03,280
and and and to recast that history as

1264
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,920
somehow you know the the camelot kind of

1265
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:07,280
thing

1266
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:09,760
i don't know they did so much good in

1267
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:12,800
their public careers

1268
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:15,599
that to emphasize what you and you're

1269
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:17,280
not well you didn't emphasize it you

1270
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:18,160
just you just

1271
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:20,480
doc you just chronicled you know and i'm

1272
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:22,720
i'm not necessarily

1273
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:25,359
in complete agreement that that they

1274
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,800
probably did

1275
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:28,400
all of those things we could go through

1276
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:30,880
each one of those

1277
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:34,400
separately but the balance it

1278
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:38,000
again it reminds me of all that

1279
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:40,880
we got from the founding fathers of the

1280
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:42,480
united states

1281
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:45,040
should not be flushed down the toilet

1282
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:45,760
because

1283
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:48,720
a percentage of them owned slaves while

1284
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:50,240
they were espousing

1285
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:54,480
freedom let's throw out hypocrisy

1286
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:57,839
and keep the good because no one on this

1287
00:47:02,950 --> 00:46:59,119
dear planet

1288
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:02,960
is morally ethically perfect consistent

1289
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:05,680
at every phase of of their whole lives

1290
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,359
so we get to cherry pick

1291
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:09,599
you know see bruce i to interject

1292
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:11,680
because to me that is so much what your

1293
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:13,359
book is about

1294
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:16,880
it to me it's almost about the opposite

1295
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:17,760
of that

1296
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:20,000
is that no we're not allowed to cherry

1297
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:20,800
pick

1298
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:23,520
because what you do is just immerse us

1299
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:24,319
in the whole

1300
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:27,839
soup and then force us to realize that

1301
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:30,880
any taste we pull out of that soup is

1302
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:34,319
us our palate cherry picking on our own

1303
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:37,440
but no it is totally legitimate to focus

1304
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:40,559
on the fact that george washington was a

1305
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:41,760
slave owner

1306
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:44,960
it's completely legitimate to say

1307
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:47,760
his perspective his world view that he

1308
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:48,079
was

1309
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,640
unable to climb on top of which by the

1310
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:52,480
way he was the only one who did

1311
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,720
release his slaves when he died so he

1312
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:56,160
gets a check mark for that

1313
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:58,559
thomas jefferson the great liberator he

1314
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:59,200
didn't

1315
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:01,920
and he you know he was sleeping which is

1316
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:02,400
i think

1317
00:48:05,829 --> 00:48:05,040
when you own somebody and you're

1318
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:05,839
engaging

1319
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:08,640
in sexual encounters with them i don't

1320
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:10,079
know how that is not

1321
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:12,880
a rape but who knows i mean i guess you

1322
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:15,040
can get consent in the same way that if

1323
00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:16,800
you're a mormon and you have the newly

1324
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:18,319
passed law

1325
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:20,240
that the governor of utah passed that

1326
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,839
said you know i kind of think that

1327
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:23,520
polygamy thing

1328
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:25,760
it's kind of more complicated than we

1329
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:26,559
thought

1330
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,599
and you know guys who want to marry two

1331
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:31,680
or three women into their little cult

1332
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:33,520
into their little coven that's

1333
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:36,640
maybe that's not your bad idea i think

1334
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:38,960
that that's what i take away from god

1335
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:41,040
school 911 and jfk

1336
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:44,640
is walk through this with me

1337
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:46,720
and go through the spiritual journey

1338
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:48,960
that you're really talking about

1339
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:51,520
that and realize that however i pick and

1340
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:52,319
choose

1341
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:54,559
you can find fault in it you know there

1342
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:56,240
is no perfect walk

1343
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:58,160
through that that history what do you

1344
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:00,079
think about that

1345
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,640
well i i agree there is no perfect walk

1346
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,160
and

1347
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:06,880
you know it churned my guts like it

1348
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:08,720
churns a lot of people of how do you

1349
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:09,839
reconcile it's

1350
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:11,680
probably the same issue if there's a

1351
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:13,839
good god why does he let bad things

1352
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,359
happen to good people the conundrum of

1353
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:19,920
human evil every atheist to uh on bill

1354
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:21,359
maher's show

1355
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:24,880
old school right right and

1356
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:27,119
i do you really wrestle with that

1357
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:29,040
question i don't i mean to me that's

1358
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:30,960
kind of i used to

1359
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:34,880
i had for years and i have

1360
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:36,400
you know when you get to be my age you

1361
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,520
realize you know what i'm not going to

1362
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:39,119
worry so much about certain things but i

1363
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:40,319
want to make this point about this

1364
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:40,720
though

1365
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:44,240
about what do you do with these

1366
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:46,079
washington had slaves for all he said

1367
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:47,680
about liberty and

1368
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,839
i guess i guess alex it's what well what

1369
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:51,839
do we do with their example

1370
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,760
you know there's there's the the

1371
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:55,359
republic they created

1372
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:57,839
the ideals that are that we are

1373
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:01,040
supposedly pledged to and dedicated to

1374
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,839
and falling short of so who's who's a

1375
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:05,200
bigger hypocrite

1376
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:07,440
you know so at the end of the day it's

1377
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:08,319
okay

1378
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:11,359
how am i going to live and what what am

1379
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:12,000
i going to

1380
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:15,280
try to force my government to be and to

1381
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:16,240
do

1382
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,240
harm that my government is perpetrating

1383
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:23,040
right now in my name with my money you

1384
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:23,760
know we

1385
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:26,160
are morally legally ethically

1386
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:27,359
responsible for

1387
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:28,960
all the atrocities that the american

1388
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:30,800
government has ever committed we've

1389
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:32,960
it's very fashionable and very easy to

1390
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,800
point fingers at washington and say

1391
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:36,400
corrupt corrupt corrupt

1392
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:38,640
but they're the cart we're supposed to

1393
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:41,359
be the horse we're supposed to

1394
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:44,000
hold their feet to the fire is it a lot

1395
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,040
harder now yes

1396
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:47,520
are there unprecedented technologies

1397
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:48,160
used

1398
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:50,240
to divide and conquer us and keep us

1399
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:52,079
afraid of each other and prevent us from

1400
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:54,640
organizing any effective action

1401
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:57,920
yes not withstanding that

1402
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:01,440
we have to remember the goals of sanity

1403
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:05,359
peace love happiness and

1404
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:08,400
get through day by day by day

1405
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,839
and when it comes to the founders in

1406
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:11,680
slavery i don't want to throw the baby

1407
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:12,960
out with the bath water and the same

1408
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:14,160
with the kennedys

1409
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:16,800
now in their defense there's a great

1410
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:17,920
case to be made

1411
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:20,240
no one became president then or now

1412
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:22,160
republican or democrat

1413
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,640
without some mob help there's a great

1414
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:26,400
case to be made for that

1415
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:27,839
and the test of who and what the

1416
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:29,760
kennedys are are

1417
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:33,200
their legacy in their public lives and

1418
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:35,520
your honor there's an equal case to be

1419
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:38,240
made that the worst allegations about

1420
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:40,880
bobby sleeping with marilyn was he there

1421
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:42,559
and the mob stories of

1422
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:44,240
how entrenched the kennedys were with

1423
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:47,040
the mob have been demolished by other

1424
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:47,920
researchers

1425
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:51,040
so that's that's a that's a whole other

1426
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:53,040
court case that's a whole other trial

1427
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:54,880
that would have to happen

1428
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:57,280
that we'd have to see all the evidence

1429
00:52:03,349 --> 00:51:59,280
we'd have to see both sides

1430
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:03,359
confronted with um

1431
00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:06,480
what's what's the word

1432
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:08,760
when you're confronted in court

1433
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:10,720
cross-examination

1434
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:12,880
to see if either side holds up and then

1435
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:14,400
you and i would be able to

1436
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:17,680
give a valid verdict on how likely was

1437
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:18,559
it that bobby

1438
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:20,480
had anything to do with marilyn's death

1439
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:22,240
i think we're far from that now i don't

1440
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:22,640
know

1441
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:26,000
you've looked at about that

1442
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:27,520
but that's what i would say in general

1443
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:29,680
about that i've looked at enough to say

1444
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:31,359
because that used to churn my guts to

1445
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:32,880
think that either of them had anything

1446
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:34,240
to do with hers

1447
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:36,079
with her death and i would point to the

1448
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:38,800
work of jim deugenio in particular

1449
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:41,760
in uh dismantling forensically the

1450
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:44,079
accusations along those lines to the

1451
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:44,880
degree that

1452
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:48,319
i can rest if i if i had the time i want

1453
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:49,680
to make the time i might study it a

1454
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:51,280
little deeper but i've done such a deep

1455
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:52,240
dive that

1456
00:52:55,349 --> 00:52:54,160
okay i'm not 100 certain but i'm

1457
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:55,359
persuaded and

1458
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:57,440
i needed to be because it was very

1459
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:59,520
upsetting that folks who were heroes to

1460
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:01,040
me and at this point

1461
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:02,880
i'm proud to say that the kennedys are

1462
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:04,240
heroes to me

1463
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:06,640
um that's what i would say in response

1464
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:07,680
to that

1465
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:09,359
for the sake of anybody listening so

1466
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:11,200
they know like well it ain't necessarily

1467
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:12,640
the way alex said

1468
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:14,559
maybe i gotta look at it you know from

1469
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:16,160
all these other angles allow me

1470
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:19,200
absolutely no no and and we do but then

1471
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:20,319
that gets back to

1472
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:22,240
it and it is good to do a little bit of

1473
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:23,599
a deep dive

1474
00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:26,800
into what we're talking about so

1475
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:28,640
if we did want to add a little bit of

1476
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:30,400
detail to that just

1477
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:33,359
so that people can shoehorn themselves

1478
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:34,960
into this conversation

1479
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:38,800
it's speculated that marilyn monroe was

1480
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:40,960
being closely monitored because she was

1481
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:43,119
keeping a diary it came to be known that

1482
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:44,800
she was keeping a diary

1483
00:53:48,069 --> 00:53:47,200
and that she had some legitimate

1484
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:48,079
important

1485
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:50,960
secrets if you will pillow talk from her

1486
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:52,160
relationship with

1487
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:56,000
john f kennedy and robert kennedy do you

1488
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:58,880
are you not down with the idea that rfk

1489
00:54:03,270 --> 00:53:59,280
was

1490
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:03,280
also sleeping with marilyn i am very

1491
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:06,400
open to it i'm not okay so so let's see

1492
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:08,720
about the diary yeah yeah because i've

1493
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:11,680
seen the refutations of

1494
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:13,440
the sources where those stories kind of

1495
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:14,800
came from

1496
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:17,680
okay so anyways that her death marilyn

1497
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:18,480
monroe's

1498
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:21,599
kind of suicide is pretty

1499
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:24,880
clearly not a suicide it's a takedown

1500
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:26,800
it's an assassination

1501
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:29,359
in some way and there's some pretty dark

1502
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:30,240
figures

1503
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:32,559
looming there so that's enough that

1504
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:34,480
anyone can kind of see

1505
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:38,079
you know where it is but the way i think

1506
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:39,599
before we leave that alex may ask are

1507
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:41,359
you familiar with

1508
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:45,119
christopher fulton's book poisoned

1509
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:47,440
the inheritance poison fruit of jfk's

1510
00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:49,440
assassination

1511
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:52,240
no i'm not who is the author again

1512
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:53,599
christopher

1513
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:57,280
fulton f-u-l-t-o-n

1514
00:55:02,230 --> 00:54:59,839
came out a couple of years ago and the

1515
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:02,240
point he makes in there

1516
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:06,079
is that jfk didn't necessarily

1517
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:08,799
sleep with all the women that he had

1518
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:10,559
private meetings with

1519
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:13,119
that and among maryland among them he

1520
00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:14,720
may have slept with her he may have had

1521
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:15,920
an affair with her but

1522
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:20,240
he may also have been using celebrities

1523
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:22,559
to send messages back and forth to

1524
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:23,599
people

1525
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:25,839
outside of his regular presidential

1526
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:27,920
channels which were monitored

1527
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:31,040
by the cia and the military

1528
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:33,920
so that he could advance his agenda

1529
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:35,760
unscrutinized by the cia and the

1530
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:37,920
military and the state department

1531
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:39,920
so that's just even just just another

1532
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:41,839
angle on the maryland situation

1533
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:44,640
yeah right i mean trying to your

1534
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:45,440
publisher

1535
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:48,640
who is fantastic in a lot of ways but

1536
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:50,720
you know there's like you can fall into

1537
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:52,720
the jfk

1538
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:55,119
thing there it there's to their credit i

1539
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:56,880
mean there's 200 books there on

1540
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:59,200
jfk that you can dive into and a lot of

1541
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:00,160
different stuff

1542
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:03,200
so but it it is history and it is

1543
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:05,920
important to understand its history

1544
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:07,760
what i think is even more important and

1545
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:09,280
that's why i love where we're going

1546
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:11,359
earlier in that conversation you are

1547
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:12,480
going to then have to

1548
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:14,160
confront that history deal with that

1549
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:16,079
history and kind of go through that

1550
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:17,680
history which is what you're talking

1551
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:18,319
about

1552
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:24,720
imagining two perfect parents is

1553
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:26,240
something that's profound that's going

1554
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:27,920
to stay with me from this interview

1555
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:29,040
because i think it's a

1556
00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:31,200
beautifully said and i think when we

1557
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:32,559
balance that with

1558
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:34,799
i can hit you with whatever i want to

1559
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:36,079
hit you with

1560
00:56:42,789 --> 00:56:39,440
about jfk or rfk

1561
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:42,799
because you're battle tested now you you

1562
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:45,440
it's not like you've built armor to to

1563
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:46,480
shield it off

1564
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:49,119
you're just battle tested you know how

1565
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:51,040
to go through the information

1566
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:54,880
and how to hold the rudder steady

1567
00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:57,200
no matter what new information comes up

1568
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:58,240
because you're still

1569
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:01,359
going to be at that core

1570
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:03,119
okay you know which is what you're

1571
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:05,520
talking about and to me

1572
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:07,760
again that's what that's what i resonate

1573
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:09,359
with in the book that's what i think the

1574
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:10,880
book is about

1575
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:13,280
how do we learn these skills because it

1576
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:15,119
is a skill that that we

1577
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:18,160
totally get is super important right now

1578
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,880
is to be able to hold the rudder because

1579
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:22,720
this isn't the end you know you threw in

1580
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:24,880
a chapter on kovid

1581
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,720
the way you anticipated that 10 years

1582
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:28,559
ago when you started the book but

1583
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:32,000
that's the latest you know storm at sea

1584
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:33,920
to keep the metaphor going

1585
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:36,640
that you again have to hold the rudder

1586
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:38,160
and of course you're going to get upset

1587
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:39,200
and of course you're going to be

1588
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:41,920
energized by the ideas and the facts

1589
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:43,440
but it's really not about that it's

1590
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:45,520
about how you process how you go through

1591
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:47,280
it maybe i'm repeating too much what we

1592
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:47,920
talked about

1593
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:50,720
already but any thoughts on any of that

1594
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:52,240
yes

1595
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:56,000
i try to train myself to be ready for

1596
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:57,200
anything

1597
00:58:01,510 --> 00:57:59,119
um my power going out in the middle of

1598
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:01,520
this conversation it could happen

1599
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:05,119
and then what do we do and

1600
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:07,599
will vaccines be necessary everywhere i

1601
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:08,960
don't want to say too many words that

1602
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:11,520
could get flagged on different platforms

1603
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:14,240
to the detriment of your viability and

1604
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:16,319
your show's viability

1605
00:58:21,910 --> 00:58:19,520
yeah it's i i often imagine

1606
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:21,920
i often imagine that this is what it was

1607
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:25,040
like being in germany in the 1930s

1608
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:28,720
when the nazis came in in 1933

1609
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:31,119
and then little by little they did

1610
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:31,760
things

1611
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:35,119
to scare the population to tolerate new

1612
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:37,280
clampdowns restrictions rules

1613
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:38,799
regulations

1614
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:42,400
until they became the full-blown awful

1615
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:44,720
awful thing on the planet that nazi

1616
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:46,559
germany was it was a little incremental

1617
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:49,200
it was relatively fast

1618
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:53,359
so it's just to be ready for anything

1619
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:55,680
it's literally to be ready for anything

1620
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:56,640
and to and to

1621
00:59:00,630 --> 00:58:58,799
and to know this is the privilege of

1622
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:00,640
being my age

1623
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:02,480
i'm not gonna say yes to everything just

1624
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:04,880
to buy a little bit more time

1625
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:06,000
you know i'm not going to go on the

1626
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:09,440
boxcar i'm not getting in the boxcar

1627
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:11,680
even if they say it's for my protection

1628
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:14,079
you know oh i'm not i'm not doing it

1629
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:16,400
i'm not going to help anyone arrest me

1630
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:18,000
they can drag me down the concrete

1631
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:21,680
steps i don't care but

1632
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:23,440
you got to be my age to say that i

1633
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:24,960
couldn't have said that just a few years

1634
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:26,720
ago or let alone when i was in my you

1635
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:26,960
know

1636
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:32,799
to live and you're desperate to

1637
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:35,599
you know make something of yourself and

1638
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:36,400
you know

1639
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:38,720
prove something and get some answers to

1640
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:39,920
some questions and

1641
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:42,160
i gotta throw a little story log on the

1642
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:42,960
fire

1643
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:44,880
are you familiar with uh rich martini

1644
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:46,319
and his book flipside

1645
00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:48,880
so you but you've already referenced the

1646
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:50,079
past life

1647
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:53,280
between life stuff all that research

1648
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:55,680
which if anyone wants to look into it is

1649
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:57,280
pretty damn freaking solid

1650
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:59,680
i mean the past life stuff is super

1651
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:00,559
solid

1652
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:02,960
so then when you look at what lipton did

1653
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:03,839
in the between

1654
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:07,280
lives it's kind of how do you how you

1655
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:08,160
allow one

1656
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:10,400
into your world view and reject the

1657
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:11,440
other so

1658
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:14,000
rich martini who is a hollywood producer

1659
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:15,440
he did this movie in this book called

1660
01:00:18,549 --> 01:00:16,559
flipside

1661
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:18,559
one of the stories he tells and he

1662
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:20,400
videotapes and shows

1663
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:23,119
is a woman who's on this weekend retreat

1664
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:24,799
to do a between life regression

1665
01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:27,839
she regresses back she is a a

1666
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:28,799
concentration

1667
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:32,319
camp participant jewish and

1668
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:35,359
she's being led to the gas chambers

1669
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:38,000
and she remembers being led to the gas

1670
01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:39,839
chambers and she wants

1671
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:44,400
to resist now she's like oh my god now

1672
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,319
and she decides makes the conscious

1673
01:00:50,789 --> 01:00:48,240
decision that

1674
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:50,799
no it's okay i will stay with my people

1675
01:00:54,309 --> 01:00:51,680
that's what i'll do

1676
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:54,319
i'll stay with my people and she goes

1677
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:56,079
into the gas chamber

1678
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:00,000
and she dies and in the process of dying

1679
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:03,839
she realizes that in many ways

1680
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:07,359
her burden was less because the real

1681
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:09,680
burden that she saw was the guilt that

1682
01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:12,160
was being held by

1683
01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:14,799
those prison guards who were there who

1684
01:01:17,670 --> 01:01:16,799
were victims to a certain extent and

1685
01:01:19,829 --> 01:01:17,680
that they weren't

1686
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:19,839
you know so they were complicit but they

1687
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:21,599
weren't really complicit

1688
01:01:26,309 --> 01:01:23,760
and they were carrying that

1689
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:26,319
soul-crushing burden that they had of

1690
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:27,680
what they had done

1691
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:29,839
and they would carry that through their

1692
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:31,440
life and maybe into

1693
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:35,040
future lives so this to me

1694
01:01:38,309 --> 01:01:37,280
is back to one of these fundamental

1695
01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:38,319
questions of

1696
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:41,440
you know what do we do and what do we

1697
01:01:47,589 --> 01:01:44,160
think we're supposed to do

1698
01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:47,599
when the boxcar comes very personal

1699
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:50,960
very i i'm trying to organize a thought

1700
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:53,599
and an answer you know because what do

1701
01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:55,680
we do and what are we supposed to do

1702
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:56,720
when the boxcar

1703
01:01:59,829 --> 01:01:59,280
comes well i guess we've got to process

1704
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:59,839
that each

1705
01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:01,440
for ourselves i can only tell you i

1706
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:03,280
really i really hope i've got the

1707
01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:04,240
courage

1708
01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:07,520
to just gently and slowly just sit on

1709
01:02:12,549 --> 01:02:08,720
the floor

1710
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:12,559
i'm not going to help myself go anywhere

1711
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:13,920
and what are they going to do when that

1712
01:02:19,589 --> 01:02:16,160
happens i don't know will i cry

1713
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:19,599
will i sh will i lose control of my

1714
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:25,109
or will i cave will i go ahead will i go

1715
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:26,240
along you know

1716
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:28,960
um hopefully won't get that way this is

1717
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:31,200
very scary to imagine it's a very scary

1718
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:34,319
scenario and scary things uh

1719
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:35,760
come our way you don't get through life

1720
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:38,000
without a few scary things

1721
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:40,880
as you alluded to before when you really

1722
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:42,480
dig into this

1723
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:45,520
one possible way of looking at it is

1724
01:02:53,029 --> 01:02:49,359
this is an exercise in scary [\h__\h]

1725
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:53,039
this is an exercise to orchestrate fear

1726
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:57,119
to keep those parents at bay

1727
01:03:01,589 --> 01:02:59,520
the good parents that are inside us that

1728
01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:01,599
spiritually guide us the elders that

1729
01:03:06,630 --> 01:03:03,119
spiritually guide us

1730
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:06,640
one way to keep them at bay is fear

1731
01:03:11,670 --> 01:03:09,680
right yeah yeah yeah that's how we can

1732
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:11,680
be easily controlled

1733
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:13,359
and that's how they show us things and

1734
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:15,359
they do things to us to scare the hell

1735
01:03:18,789 --> 01:03:16,480
out of us

1736
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:18,799
life could be called fear management you

1737
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:20,079
know yes oh

1738
01:03:23,589 --> 01:03:21,839
you want to have a human life where

1739
01:03:25,349 --> 01:03:23,599
eternal souls having a beer

1740
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:25,359
evaluating gee am i in the mood for

1741
01:03:29,589 --> 01:03:27,359
another human life or not you know

1742
01:03:31,990 --> 01:03:29,599
remember it's all fear management yeah

1743
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:34,789
i love that that's great yeah we have to

1744
01:03:38,069 --> 01:03:36,319
imagine it's a great meeting great

1745
01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:38,079
purpose we need that all the wise ones

1746
01:03:40,789 --> 01:03:38,880
say that

1747
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:40,799
you know a human life without you know a

1748
01:03:44,789 --> 01:03:42,160
purpose

1749
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:44,799
or an idea that makes it endurable

1750
01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:46,079
livable

1751
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:51,280
it's looking at it this that it is this

1752
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:52,960
kind of spiritual adventure that we've

1753
01:03:55,510 --> 01:03:54,160
designed for ourselves quite

1754
01:03:57,190 --> 01:03:55,520
intentionally

1755
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:57,200
i love a lot of the survivors or the

1756
01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:59,200
returnees from near-death experiences

1757
01:04:03,029 --> 01:04:00,880
say

1758
01:04:03,990 --> 01:04:03,039
i realized that it was everything that

1759
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:04,000
happened was

1760
01:04:07,829 --> 01:04:05,359
i knew it was going to happen you know

1761
01:04:08,950 --> 01:04:07,839
before i came in before i incarnated you

1762
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:08,960
know

1763
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:13,200
so that's playful so if we can cultivate

1764
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:15,599
this idea of you know perfect safety

1765
01:04:18,870 --> 01:04:17,760
even in the midst of all this

1766
01:04:20,390 --> 01:04:18,880
there's always going to be things that

1767
01:04:21,670 --> 01:04:20,400
scares i think i have in my book or

1768
01:04:24,150 --> 01:04:21,680
maybe it got taken out

1769
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:24,160
toward the end the little parable of the

1770
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:25,359
man being

1771
01:04:29,109 --> 01:04:27,520
chased by the bear and he comes to the

1772
01:04:31,029 --> 01:04:29,119
edge of a cliff

1773
01:04:32,390 --> 01:04:31,039
and there's a tiger at the bottom who's

1774
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:32,400
uh snarling

1775
01:04:36,390 --> 01:04:34,000
but he's got to climb down because the

1776
01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:36,400
bear's coming and he's halfway between

1777
01:04:40,390 --> 01:04:38,640
the bears pawing from the top trying to

1778
01:04:41,829 --> 01:04:40,400
get him and the tiger's jumping up from

1779
01:04:44,230 --> 01:04:41,839
the bottom trying to get him he's

1780
01:04:45,829 --> 01:04:44,240
clinging to the side

1781
01:04:47,829 --> 01:04:45,839
and right in front of his face there's a

1782
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:47,839
big red strawberry

1783
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:50,160
and he eats it and it's the most

1784
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:52,160
delicious strawberry he's ever tasted in

1785
01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:55,280
his life and i've broken that down to

1786
01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:56,880
think the bear is our past

1787
01:05:00,549 --> 01:04:59,119
always chasing us and the tiger is our

1788
01:05:01,349 --> 01:05:00,559
frightening future it just looks

1789
01:05:04,470 --> 01:05:01,359
hopeless

1790
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:04,480
but the present moment is our is

1791
01:05:10,390 --> 01:05:06,720
delicious it's this is our strawberry

1792
01:05:17,349 --> 01:05:13,430
so that living in the moment kind of

1793
01:05:19,190 --> 01:05:17,359
wisdom how do you connect that to

1794
01:05:20,390 --> 01:05:19,200
what we're living through right now what

1795
01:05:23,349 --> 01:05:20,400
we're going through

1796
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:23,359
you know the example or the story that i

1797
01:05:25,829 --> 01:05:25,440
always cling to and i use so often in

1798
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:25,839
this

1799
01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:27,119
because i'm kind of drawn to the

1800
01:05:31,270 --> 01:05:29,680
non-dual perspective although i don't

1801
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:31,280
want to cling too tightly to that

1802
01:05:36,309 --> 01:05:34,559
is the the hugging saint ama who is

1803
01:05:37,829 --> 01:05:36,319
i was turned on to by my friend rick

1804
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:37,839
archer at bat gap and i went and

1805
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:39,839
actually spent a weekend in l.a and

1806
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:40,799
visit her and

1807
01:05:43,829 --> 01:05:42,880
got a couple hugs and they didn't do

1808
01:05:46,630 --> 01:05:43,839
much for me but

1809
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:46,640
i i respect where she's coming from but

1810
01:05:51,829 --> 01:05:48,480
tirelessly working

1811
01:05:53,029 --> 01:05:51,839
18 hours a day as an elder woman digging

1812
01:05:56,549 --> 01:05:53,039
latrines

1813
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:56,559
in india for the untouchables doing

1814
01:06:03,109 --> 01:06:00,000
everything she can with every

1815
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:03,119
ounce of energy she has and when she's

1816
01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:06,480
asked you know amma you tell us

1817
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:09,920
that this world is not what it's about

1818
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:11,520
this is an illusion

1819
01:06:17,029 --> 01:06:14,880
and yet all you do is about this world

1820
01:06:17,589 --> 01:06:17,039
all this energy you do is about this

1821
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:17,599
world

1822
01:06:28,710 --> 01:06:25,680
and to me that is i'm not there

1823
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:28,720
you know i'm with you buddy we are side

1824
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:30,480
by side i get

1825
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:32,960
when you said you know we are the the

1826
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:35,119
manager general type we

1827
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:38,400
she is the elder and i i

1828
01:06:44,950 --> 01:06:41,680
am the manager general type who does get

1829
01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:44,960
fired up by that i'm gonna go research

1830
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:46,000
that rfk

1831
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:49,440
thing i want to know and i'm going to

1832
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:52,640
try and gain hold of my emotions to not

1833
01:06:56,230 --> 01:06:53,200
get too

1834
01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:56,240
sucked into wanting to know more but i

1835
01:06:59,589 --> 01:06:56,640
do

1836
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:59,599
sure as [\h__\h] appreciate the elders who

1837
01:07:04,150 --> 01:07:00,240
remind

1838
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:04,160
us world what world my world

1839
01:07:08,390 --> 01:07:06,720
yeah yeah that reminds me what i think

1840
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:08,400
i've heard about mother teresa

1841
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:12,160
similar experience she had an aha

1842
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:14,480
looking at some suffering soul

1843
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:17,280
lying in the street and just hug them

1844
01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:18,000
you know

1845
01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:19,520
and the other sisters in her convent

1846
01:07:23,029 --> 01:07:21,119
found her and said

1847
01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:23,039
what are you doing we've got paperwork

1848
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:24,880
to do we've got you know

1849
01:07:28,069 --> 01:07:26,400
and she just and then the person died

1850
01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:28,079
she i think that's her legacy

1851
01:07:31,589 --> 01:07:30,400
she was just hugging and comforting the

1852
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:31,599
real sick

1853
01:07:36,630 --> 01:07:34,480
dirty diseased people with her own hands

1854
01:07:38,789 --> 01:07:36,640
as much as possible

1855
01:07:40,870 --> 01:07:38,799
right i think that's that's her she was

1856
01:07:43,829 --> 01:07:40,880
she was on stage bro

1857
01:07:44,549 --> 01:07:43,839
she was on stage being present wasn't

1858
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:44,559
she

1859
01:07:52,390 --> 01:07:49,200
that other actor

1860
01:07:54,549 --> 01:07:52,400
and being in the moment wasn't she

1861
01:07:55,510 --> 01:07:54,559
tell us tell us bruce in the time we

1862
01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:55,520
have left

1863
01:08:00,150 --> 01:07:58,640
what else you want people to get and

1864
01:08:03,029 --> 01:08:00,160
understand from this

1865
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:03,039
fantastically interesting book god

1866
01:08:06,789 --> 01:08:03,760
school

1867
01:08:07,109 --> 01:08:06,799
9 11 and jfk the lies that are killing

1868
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:07,119
us

1869
01:08:15,029 --> 01:08:13,280
well uh tangibly i

1870
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:15,039
fee people should go to my site where

1871
01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:16,400
you can read all about the book

1872
01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:21,839
bruce d taurus.com d-e-t-o-r-r-e-s

1873
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:25,040
dot com and

1874
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:26,560
there'll be a way for you you can buy it

1875
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:27,920
if you want but at least you'll see on

1876
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:29,920
the front page these amazing

1877
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:32,080
reviews that it's gotten by folks who

1878
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:34,400
are respectable minds who've written a

1879
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:36,480
lot about these topics what i want

1880
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:39,920
folks to get is the

1881
01:08:45,189 --> 01:08:42,560
the hopefully candor at the beginning i

1882
01:08:46,709 --> 01:08:45,199
spend the first many pages

1883
01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:46,719
talking about myself my thought

1884
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:49,920
processes and my own emotional kind of

1885
01:08:55,669 --> 01:08:53,520
challenges because uh

1886
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:55,679
i'm a human and that'll you know i'm not

1887
01:08:58,390 --> 01:08:57,600
coming from a pedestal i hope i don't

1888
01:09:00,550 --> 01:08:58,400
come from uh

1889
01:09:02,630 --> 01:09:00,560
and i might because i do say things with

1890
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:02,640
great assertiveness

1891
01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:05,359
later on my opinions i'll stand strong

1892
01:09:09,430 --> 01:09:07,199
for my opinions if and i try to make the

1893
01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:09,440
case in them but

1894
01:09:13,269 --> 01:09:11,440
the book really helps us grow up if you

1895
01:09:14,149 --> 01:09:13,279
have any doubt about any of the major

1896
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:14,159
topics

1897
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:17,199
uh that that's who it's for um the

1898
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:18,319
critique about

1899
01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:20,799
you know everything in the title is real

1900
01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:22,960
but it's just not the official story

1901
01:09:26,070 --> 01:09:24,880
you know so the god chapter takes on

1902
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:26,080
organized religion

1903
01:09:30,309 --> 01:09:28,080
to paint a bigger picture of who or what

1904
01:09:33,349 --> 01:09:30,319
the spiritual force

1905
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:33,359
is bruce makes the case it's you

1906
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:35,120
my friend and it's me and it's every

1907
01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:36,719
moment and it's every life and it's

1908
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:39,279
every animal and it's every child

1909
01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:44,560
and i just want to indict and convict

1910
01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:46,719
the mass media and the federal

1911
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:48,480
government as

1912
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:51,600
liars and murderers why so we take

1913
01:09:56,470 --> 01:09:54,880
what they say today with a grain of salt

1914
01:09:58,070 --> 01:09:56,480
and we do our own research and we

1915
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:58,080
confirm is this

1916
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:01,440
an enemy or is it not is this a remedy

1917
01:10:07,110 --> 01:10:04,719
or is it not that's the major

1918
01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:07,120
function of the book and the the great

1919
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:09,360
takeaway hopefully is

1920
01:10:16,229 --> 01:10:12,719
um a spiritual imagination

1921
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:16,239
and a description of our power that what

1922
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:16,560
we

1923
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:28,640
what am i what i'm focusing on or not

1924
01:10:33,189 --> 01:10:29,440
and if i'm not

1925
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:33,199
why not why can't i enjoy what i behold

1926
01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:35,280
and then it encourages us to do the

1927
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:37,280
soul-searching to get up early do the

1928
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:38,000
journaling

1929
01:10:42,470 --> 01:10:41,440
ask the hard questions who am i why am i

1930
01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:42,480
here

1931
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:45,520
what's a good life what's the nature of

1932
01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:46,000
good

1933
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:48,880
what's the nature of evil and what do i

1934
01:10:52,950 --> 01:10:50,560
want

1935
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:52,960
and to develop a moral philosophy this

1936
01:10:56,229 --> 01:10:54,640
is what i think is good bad this is

1937
01:10:59,350 --> 01:10:56,239
what's right and wrong

1938
01:11:03,189 --> 01:10:59,360
for me and i get to be with me

1939
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:03,199
24 7. i better be better be a cool dude

1940
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:05,760
i better become a cool dude i better be

1941
01:11:10,870 --> 01:11:07,840
someone whose company i can stand

1942
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:10,880
because i'm stuck with me you know

1943
01:11:18,149 --> 01:11:14,239
for the duration and there's

1944
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:18,159
and there's no more fun and powerful way

1945
01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:20,960
to get over yourself than to pay

1946
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:22,800
attention to somebody else and care

1947
01:11:25,990 --> 01:11:24,080
what are they thinking what are they

1948
01:11:28,870 --> 01:11:26,000
feeling why are they doing this why

1949
01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:28,880
they do that and to ask and to care not

1950
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:29,440
to

1951
01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:33,520
codependent

1952
01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:36,400
and attach yourself to them like a slave

1953
01:11:40,229 --> 01:11:37,920
that's very easy

1954
01:11:43,350 --> 01:11:40,239
years of experience talking there that's

1955
01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:43,360
the big snowball of my book alex

1956
01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:46,560
okay let me let me in skeptical fashion

1957
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:49,520
kind of do a counter narrative if you

1958
01:11:51,669 --> 01:11:50,159
will

1959
01:11:53,590 --> 01:11:51,679
because this stuff just never gets

1960
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:53,600
talked about in our community if you

1961
01:11:58,870 --> 01:11:54,719
will

1962
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:58,880
and that is so consider the possibility

1963
01:12:02,070 --> 01:12:00,640
that you could come to the conclusion

1964
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:02,080
reasonably rationally

1965
01:12:07,750 --> 01:12:05,440
looking at the data that there kind of

1966
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:07,760
are a few too many people on the planet

1967
01:12:11,350 --> 01:12:09,199
you know it ain't so good

1968
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:11,360
and we can keep talking about global

1969
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:13,520
warming which is probably [\h__\h]

1970
01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:15,840
but the underlying idea that you can't

1971
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:16,960
keep just

1972
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:19,040
throwing your [\h__\h] into the air and into

1973
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:20,000
the ocean

1974
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:22,320
that probably don't work either and the

1975
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:24,000
idea that you know

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01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:26,320
the ecosystems are collapsing that's

1977
01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:27,760
probably [\h__\h]

1978
01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:29,360
but then again it probably ain't

1979
01:12:32,310 --> 01:12:31,760
[\h__\h] that the fish population is

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01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:32,320
like

1981
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:35,600
10 of what it is so let's say you and a

1982
01:12:39,189 --> 01:12:37,199
couple of your friends got together and

1983
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:39,199
you said you know

1984
01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:42,320
it does seem that the population

1985
01:12:47,030 --> 01:12:45,520
thing is a problem and it could get

1986
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:47,040
worse it could get a lot

1987
01:12:52,149 --> 01:12:50,400
worse if we keep increasing the amount

1988
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:52,159
of people that we're trying to

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01:12:55,669 --> 01:12:54,080
put on this planet and what if we went

1990
01:12:57,030 --> 01:12:55,679
one step further and somebody said yeah

1991
01:12:58,950 --> 01:12:57,040
you know how it's going to get worse

1992
01:13:01,669 --> 01:12:58,960
we've got a lot of people right now

1993
01:13:02,630 --> 01:13:01,679
who just eat rice or beans or other

1994
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:02,640
stuff

1995
01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:04,480
what's going to happen when they want to

1996
01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:07,199
eat protein which takes a lot but

1997
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:09,520
is a lot harder on the environment and

1998
01:13:11,990 --> 01:13:11,280
god forbid what's going to happen when

1999
01:13:15,189 --> 01:13:12,000
they say

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01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:15,199
hey i should be able to drive a

2001
01:13:18,709 --> 01:13:17,920
at least a little moped if not a car

2002
01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:18,719
into town

2003
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:21,679
and i should be able to have that iphone

2004
01:13:25,830 --> 01:13:23,920
or at least some kind of device with a

2005
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:25,840
lithium battery that pollutes the

2006
01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:27,520
environment so you know

2007
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:30,080
there's it's not just people it's

2008
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:32,640
technology of the people we already have

2009
01:13:37,510 --> 01:13:35,520
so what if your little cadre of friends

2010
01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:37,520
got together and said

2011
01:13:42,149 --> 01:13:40,560
you know what this is kind of as a

2012
01:13:44,950 --> 01:13:42,159
responsible

2013
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:44,960
group who are kind of have some

2014
01:13:48,229 --> 01:13:46,000
influence

2015
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:48,239
this is something we should address what

2016
01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:49,199
do you do

2017
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:52,880
in that situation and and you know where

2018
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:54,000
i'm going with this

2019
01:13:57,030 --> 01:13:55,760
maybe what you do is what we see right

2020
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:57,040
now

2021
01:14:01,510 --> 01:13:59,600
right that's a plausible explanation for

2022
01:14:05,669 --> 01:14:01,520
the policies that are

2023
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:05,679
tightening around our neck i'll say um

2024
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:08,080
but if if sane and rational folks could

2025
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:09,920
address that reality

2026
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:11,920
first confirm that that's the reality

2027
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:14,080
and let's assume that it is

2028
01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:16,880
um i thought while you were describing

2029
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:19,600
that let's add to that

2030
01:14:24,149 --> 01:14:23,360
a focus on rules and regs and

2031
01:14:27,990 --> 01:14:24,159
governments

2032
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:28,000
that protect the rights of the people

2033
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:30,239
on an even playing field not the special

2034
01:14:34,149 --> 01:14:31,440
interest not the giant club

2035
01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:34,159
oh i have no interest really in doing

2036
01:14:38,149 --> 01:14:36,400
that that's never worked in history

2037
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:38,159
again i'm now taking the other side of

2038
01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:39,440
this that's

2039
01:14:44,070 --> 01:14:42,560
never worked in history and it's not

2040
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:44,080
going to work

2041
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:46,000
in the future bruce so you're as part of

2042
01:14:49,830 --> 01:14:47,520
the committee and i'm just

2043
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:49,840
shouting that down i'll buy you off i'll

2044
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:51,199
do whatever i have to

2045
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:53,440
i'll clintonize you and move you out of

2046
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:54,239
the equation

2047
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:56,080
but basically what we need here is a

2048
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:57,840
strong hand to get this [\h__\h] done

2049
01:15:01,990 --> 01:14:59,840
and if you're waiting for a consensus

2050
01:15:04,070 --> 01:15:02,000
forget it you're never going to get it

2051
01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:04,080
i don't know how long i'd stay i'd be i

2052
01:15:08,310 --> 01:15:05,520
would last on the committee

2053
01:15:09,189 --> 01:15:08,320
with you know can we put it through a

2054
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:09,199
vote who

2055
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:10,800
can we appeal to the other members i

2056
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:13,920
don't see anyone around but

2057
01:15:20,229 --> 01:15:17,280
um you know

2058
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:20,239
let's let's say you represented everyone

2059
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:22,080
i had to work with and you all agree

2060
01:15:25,990 --> 01:15:24,239
to that like oh okay there's no there's

2061
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:26,000
no political there's no consensus

2062
01:15:30,870 --> 01:15:27,600
possible there's

2063
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:30,880
there's just what the rich and powerful

2064
01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:33,360
are going to do or can do you're we're

2065
01:15:38,950 --> 01:15:35,920
speaking as if we represent

2066
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:38,960
uh the world economic forum hold up

2067
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:40,560
let me just add to this this might be

2068
01:15:44,110 --> 01:15:42,239
way off target

2069
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:44,120
i think that's kind of a

2070
01:15:49,270 --> 01:15:46,000
mischaracterization of that

2071
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:49,280
it's not that the rich and powerful want

2072
01:15:54,070 --> 01:15:51,120
to rule the world

2073
01:15:56,390 --> 01:15:54,080
for their own evil gain it's that

2074
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:56,400
there's only one way to rule the world

2075
01:16:02,630 --> 01:15:59,600
it's the roman way it's total war

2076
01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:02,640
it's total domination it's you can't

2077
01:16:06,790 --> 01:16:05,520
change anything unless you're in power

2078
01:16:09,270 --> 01:16:06,800
so make sure you

2079
01:16:10,149 --> 01:16:09,280
win so whether you want good or whether

2080
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:10,159
you don't

2081
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:12,239
you're not going to get it by sitting on

2082
01:16:17,669 --> 01:16:14,080
the sideline and that's why

2083
01:16:19,510 --> 01:16:17,679
we have a jeffrey epstein who is a front

2084
01:16:20,310 --> 01:16:19,520
man he's not really the person pulling

2085
01:16:22,229 --> 01:16:20,320
the strings

2086
01:16:24,310 --> 01:16:22,239
but that's why we have human compromise

2087
01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:24,320
right let me catch that guy back in the

2088
01:16:28,149 --> 01:16:25,600
50s

2089
01:16:28,870 --> 01:16:28,159
let me get j edgar hoover a picture of

2090
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:28,880
him

2091
01:16:31,990 --> 01:16:30,719
dressed up in women's clothes and in a

2092
01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:32,000
compromising

2093
01:16:36,070 --> 01:16:34,400
homosexual position and now i own that

2094
01:16:38,229 --> 01:16:36,080
guy for life and he says ridiculous

2095
01:16:38,709 --> 01:16:38,239
things like there is no mafia and other

2096
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:38,719
just

2097
01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:41,920
absurdly crazy things well today

2098
01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:43,840
those pictures wouldn't carry quite as

2099
01:16:48,149 --> 01:16:46,000
much weight so let me get somebody with

2100
01:16:49,990 --> 01:16:48,159
a little kid or let me get somebody

2101
01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:50,000
doing something else but human

2102
01:16:53,030 --> 01:16:52,719
compromise is the way to go and whether

2103
01:16:57,350 --> 01:16:53,040
i'm

2104
01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:57,360
a good player or a evil player

2105
01:17:01,110 --> 01:16:59,440
if i'm not willing to play that game

2106
01:17:02,709 --> 01:17:01,120
then i better step aside

2107
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:02,719
because the guy who's playing that game

2108
01:17:09,669 --> 01:17:05,040
against me is gonna win

2109
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:13,430
i guess i'm stuck in a in a desire a

2110
01:17:19,669 --> 01:17:16,320
need a belief a conviction

2111
01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:19,679
that if the rights

2112
01:17:25,030 --> 01:17:22,800
of human beings could be honored and

2113
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:25,040
recognized if human beings could defend

2114
01:17:30,390 --> 01:17:27,360
their own rights in such a way

2115
01:17:33,669 --> 01:17:30,400
it's tough to compete with the i

2116
01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:33,679
i can't rule out i think as you just did

2117
01:17:37,750 --> 01:17:34,640
that the

2118
01:17:40,550 --> 01:17:37,760
rich and the powerful did you

2119
01:17:41,910 --> 01:17:40,560
say that they're not trying to control

2120
01:17:45,030 --> 01:17:41,920
us and or

2121
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:45,040
from evil or selfish intent

2122
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:47,520
no i think what i was trying to say is

2123
01:17:51,590 --> 01:17:48,719
in this kind of just

2124
01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:51,600
stream of consciousness thing is that

2125
01:17:55,750 --> 01:17:52,960
let's say we took

2126
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:55,760
the rich and powerful and we put him on

2127
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:57,040
a bell curve

2128
01:18:02,470 --> 01:18:00,480
of evilness they'd fit

2129
01:18:03,750 --> 01:18:02,480
they'd fit they wouldn't all be on one

2130
01:18:05,350 --> 01:18:03,760
side of that curve of

2131
01:18:07,910 --> 01:18:05,360
oh you're rich and powerful therefore

2132
01:18:08,470 --> 01:18:07,920
you're evil there's rich and powerful

2133
01:18:12,149 --> 01:18:08,480
that are

2134
01:18:13,750 --> 01:18:12,159
good and there's the bell curve there's

2135
01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:13,760
all the people in between

2136
01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:15,760
but keep going because i i like where

2137
01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:17,199
you're going with the dilemma you give

2138
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:18,880
me great hope no i love

2139
01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:21,760
the bell curve i love them as a model

2140
01:18:26,070 --> 01:18:22,800
for

2141
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:26,080
alex my takeaway from this you just okay

2142
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:27,600
i don't get too dramatic that's a little

2143
01:18:31,510 --> 01:18:29,760
too easy for me but i will say

2144
01:18:32,950 --> 01:18:31,520
it's quite liberating to imagine the

2145
01:18:34,390 --> 01:18:32,960
quote-unquote rich and powerful the

2146
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:34,400
elite of the elite the one percent of

2147
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:35,360
the one percent

2148
01:18:38,709 --> 01:18:37,600
who who have their hands on the levers

2149
01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:38,719
of control

2150
01:18:42,870 --> 01:18:40,800
fit into the bell curve that at one

2151
01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:42,880
fringe there are supremely

2152
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:46,480
psychopathic and evil tyrannical tyrants

2153
01:18:50,550 --> 01:18:48,560
and at the other hand are folks who

2154
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:50,560
would be saint-like and

2155
01:18:54,550 --> 01:18:52,960
benef benevolent to us right and the

2156
01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:54,560
vast majority in the middle

2157
01:18:58,630 --> 01:18:57,040
just muddle through and whoever is in

2158
01:19:00,470 --> 01:18:58,640
charge today they're just gonna

2159
01:19:01,910 --> 01:19:00,480
get they'll be evil if evil's in charge

2160
01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:01,920
they'll be good if evil is in charge

2161
01:19:05,910 --> 01:19:03,040
they just don't care

2162
01:19:07,669 --> 01:19:05,920
they're just gonna waddle through okay

2163
01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:07,679
that gives me great hope because there's

2164
01:19:10,870 --> 01:19:08,560
fewer

2165
01:19:12,709 --> 01:19:10,880
purely tyrannical and evil minded there

2166
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:12,719
really really are

2167
01:19:16,790 --> 01:19:15,360
which is which all the moral reason to

2168
01:19:19,830 --> 01:19:16,800
leverage

2169
01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:19,840
human nature because that also fits in

2170
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:21,760
the bell curve there are deviants and

2171
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:24,000
criminals that psychopaths at one side

2172
01:19:27,990 --> 01:19:26,719
there are real saints like the woman who

2173
01:19:30,950 --> 01:19:28,000
just hugs

2174
01:19:31,430 --> 01:19:30,960
people in her 80s and cleans latrines in

2175
01:19:33,750 --> 01:19:31,440
india

2176
01:19:35,910 --> 01:19:33,760
but the vast majority in the middle just

2177
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:35,920
want to love and kiss their grandparents

2178
01:19:39,350 --> 01:19:37,679
love and kiss their kids

2179
01:19:40,950 --> 01:19:39,360
have a couple beers put their feet up

2180
01:19:41,669 --> 01:19:40,960
and watch the boob tube at the end of

2181
01:19:43,590 --> 01:19:41,679
the day

2182
01:19:45,189 --> 01:19:43,600
they really don't care what's happening

2183
01:19:46,709 --> 01:19:45,199
politically they really don't care

2184
01:19:47,990 --> 01:19:46,719
what's happening in tijuana

2185
01:19:50,149 --> 01:19:48,000
they really they really don't care

2186
01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:50,159
because if you have a belly full of food

2187
01:19:54,390 --> 01:19:51,840
we've never had this in our evolutionary

2188
01:19:58,870 --> 01:19:54,400
history until the last 150 years

2189
01:20:01,990 --> 01:19:58,880
a belly full of food and decent shelter

2190
01:20:04,229 --> 01:20:02,000
turn that tv on i don't want to think

2191
01:20:07,110 --> 01:20:04,239
what's there to think about how can i

2192
01:20:10,629 --> 01:20:09,430
that's beautiful you know uh the quote

2193
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:10,639
that i

2194
01:20:14,070 --> 01:20:12,960
sometimes cling to for the bell curve

2195
01:20:16,870 --> 01:20:14,080
thing

2196
01:20:19,350 --> 01:20:16,880
is uh gandhi who was political was a

2197
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:19,360
political person we can kind of forget

2198
01:20:23,189 --> 01:20:20,880
that because we always

2199
01:20:23,910 --> 01:20:23,199
picture him as this saintly guy but he

2200
01:20:25,910 --> 01:20:23,920
was he was

2201
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:25,920
right he did the deal with pakistan to

2202
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:27,600
divide the countries but he was mixed

2203
01:20:31,830 --> 01:20:29,760
feelings about that he did the deal

2204
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:31,840
with people that he didn't agree with in

2205
01:20:35,350 --> 01:20:33,600
the parliament in order to get things

2206
01:20:36,629 --> 01:20:35,360
done he did the deal with the british

2207
01:20:37,669 --> 01:20:36,639
empire and you know they didn't just

2208
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:37,679
come down and

2209
01:20:42,709 --> 01:20:40,960
bow down to gandhi he was he was under

2210
01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:42,719
he was a man of the world in a lot of

2211
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:45,040
ways he was an attorney by training

2212
01:20:49,990 --> 01:20:48,400
but he said good always wins out

2213
01:20:51,990 --> 01:20:50,000
and he said it from a practical stand

2214
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:52,000
because no no wait

2215
01:20:59,270 --> 01:20:56,880
look at history good always wins out

2216
01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:59,280
and then i think is the essence that i

2217
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:00,159
take away

2218
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:03,440
from what you're saying is that you know

2219
01:21:08,149 --> 01:21:06,400
there in our human nature we do have

2220
01:21:10,070 --> 01:21:08,159
that potential so we see the potential

2221
01:21:10,790 --> 01:21:10,080
for evil and sometimes we focus too much

2222
01:21:13,510 --> 01:21:10,800
on that

2223
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:13,520
but maybe that's what i'm saying and

2224
01:21:17,270 --> 01:21:15,600
you're at least open to the idea

2225
01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:17,280
there's a hell of a lot of good and a

2226
01:21:20,629 --> 01:21:18,960
hell of a lot of people and it comes

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through in some pretty

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01:21:24,149 --> 01:21:23,360
unusual ways that we might not identify

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01:21:26,550 --> 01:21:24,159
as good

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and maybe part of our challenge is to

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reorient

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ourselves to what it means to be

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to be good in that complicated way that

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01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:34,239
you're talking about

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01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:37,360
and also practically in a very very

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01:21:41,270 --> 01:21:38,800
simple way

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01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:41,280
turn off the phones turn off the tvs

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01:21:44,950 --> 01:21:43,360
unplug from the mainstream messaging

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01:21:47,189 --> 01:21:44,960
because that's all designed to

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whip us up into a frenzy of fear worry

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and insecurity and panic

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01:21:52,470 --> 01:21:51,360
and spend time in nature in order to

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01:21:54,790 --> 01:21:52,480
feel what's real

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01:21:55,990 --> 01:21:54,800
because i contend and this is the big

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01:21:58,709 --> 01:21:56,000
macro spiritual

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01:22:00,629 --> 01:21:58,719
idea that only love is real and that's

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01:22:03,270 --> 01:22:00,639
what we feel in nature that's what we

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01:22:04,470 --> 01:22:03,280
see in animals that's what we see in

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01:22:06,629 --> 01:22:04,480
children

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that's what we feel in the rhythms of

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nature

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and that's the preponderance of who we

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01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:11,760
are we have these rational minds that

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01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:13,440
can drive ourselves crazy

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with with fear and security and

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01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:16,800
competition uh

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01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:18,960
that's defines human relations and

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01:22:22,149 --> 01:22:19,840
politics and

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01:22:23,830 --> 01:22:22,159
you know cultures and societies i love

2260
01:22:24,709 --> 01:22:23,840
you the quote that you just shared from

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01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:24,719
gandhi

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01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:28,000
that good always wins i liken it to all

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01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:30,320
the empires that have risen and fallen

2264
01:22:33,990 --> 01:22:32,400
typically it's through corruption you

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01:22:36,149 --> 01:22:34,000
know and then there's maybe there's a

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01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:36,159
revolution and maybe some do-gooders you

2267
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:37,360
know hold the flags

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01:22:41,510 --> 01:22:39,120
and they quickly become as corrupted as

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01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:41,520
anybody who holds power over others

2270
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:44,080
and they exploit people until that

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01:22:47,910 --> 01:22:45,360
collapses

2272
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:47,920
and yet like like a snake always

2273
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:48,719
shedding its skin

2274
01:22:54,390 --> 01:22:51,440
life always reemerges poetically i say

2275
01:22:56,229 --> 01:22:54,400
we could pave the planet with concrete

2276
01:22:57,830 --> 01:22:56,239
and a blade of grass is eventually going

2277
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:57,840
to bust on through

2278
01:23:02,790 --> 01:22:59,520
you know and that gives that gives us

2279
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:02,800
all hope that's the nature of reality

2280
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:06,000
that is awesome i love that line my new

2281
01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:08,159
dharma brother i guess you've always

2282
01:23:11,590 --> 01:23:10,000
been my dharma brother i just didn't

2283
01:23:14,229 --> 01:23:11,600
realize it to know

2284
01:23:16,149 --> 01:23:14,239
what a conversation what an awesome book

2285
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:16,159
god school 9 11 and jfk

2286
01:23:19,990 --> 01:23:18,080
the lies that are killing us and the

2287
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:20,000
truth that sets us free

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01:23:24,390 --> 01:23:22,960
bruce fantastic having you on i really

2289
01:23:26,629 --> 01:23:24,400
enjoyed it

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01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:26,639
amen me too as well alex maybe maybe

2291
01:23:30,790 --> 01:23:28,080
this be the first of many

2292
01:23:31,270 --> 01:23:30,800
on anywhere not just on your show but

2293
01:23:33,910 --> 01:23:31,280
just

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01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:33,920
you know henceforth right on to that

2295
01:23:37,669 --> 01:23:35,679
thanks again to bruce to taurus for

2296
01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:37,679
joining me today on skeptico

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01:23:41,510 --> 01:23:39,600
the one question i tee up and there

2298
01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:41,520
could have been many but we'll start at

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01:23:45,510 --> 01:23:42,480
the end

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01:23:46,070 --> 01:23:45,520
do the rich in powerful fall in a bell

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01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:46,080
curve

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01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:48,880
distribution i like that question that's

2303
01:23:52,709 --> 01:23:49,600
a real

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01:23:54,470 --> 01:23:52,719
skeptico question so give me your answer

2305
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:54,480
check out the skeptical forum track me

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01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:56,239
down any way you like

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01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:58,480
lots more to come stay with me for all

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01:24:17,630 --> 01:23:59,280
of that